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NYT Medicaid

Post  sc4ram on Mon Jan 18, 2010 8:45 pm

Sorry Nancy-

My post was a typo, I meant to reference Medicade, not Medicare.

IMO, single payer with the govt deciding who gets treated for what at what price isnt the answer. Im not stuck on private insurance being the only answer but I havent heard a better plan yet.

However I would take issue with your theme that the Republicans are responsible for most of the "mess". The Dems have a overwelming majority in the House and a fillibuster proof majority in the Senate and they own the White House. What ever the Democrats pass or dont pass they own it. At some point they have to take ownership for their end product. The Democrats in control could of easily pealed off a few Republicans by simply throwing in some tax sweetners for private plans, tort reform, and giving them access to the many closed door sessions, but they took the "my way or the highway" approach and now a majority of the country doesnt want the dog food they have manufactured. They asked for our votes by advertising that they would practice openess and transparancy and that the "negoiations" would be on CSPAN, they have delivered none of this. They cant blame this on W. Bush or anybody else. It is their predicament.

They look like a poor Public Relations organization trying to pass anything (no matter what is says) so the Predisent wont be embarrased by a legislative defeat. (With no regard with what their constituents views are). They have made a mess allright and unfortunately for them they own it.

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Health Overhaul Leaves Gap

Post  sc4ram on Mon Jan 18, 2010 9:25 pm

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What if all 50 States got Ben Nelson's Health Care Deal?

Post  sc4ram on Tue Jan 19, 2010 1:31 pm

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Democrats re-thinking Health Care Bill

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Obama and Allies Consider paired down Health Care Bill

Post  sc4ram on Wed Jan 20, 2010 9:02 pm

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"Precipice of Achievement"

Post  sc4ram on Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:12 am

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Pelosi: House lacks votes to pass Senate Health Care Bill

Post  sc4ram on Thu Jan 21, 2010 2:39 pm

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Medicaid draining state's wallet

Post  sc4ram on Sun Jan 24, 2010 12:39 pm

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Health Care Reform could affect benefits for retirees

Post  sc4ram on Mon Jan 25, 2010 12:37 am

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Health Care moves to the back burner

Post  sc4ram on Thu Jan 28, 2010 11:54 pm

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Democrats quietly working to resuscitate healthcare overhaul

Post  sc4ram on Mon Feb 01, 2010 4:43 pm

To bad the leadership couldnt concentrate their energy to "quietly work" on a new EUC extensoin ............



http://www.latimes.com/news/nation-and-world/la-na-healthcare-strategy31-2010jan31,0,4131123.story
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Post  Unemployed In Orlando on Mon Feb 01, 2010 4:58 pm

sc4ram wrote:To bad the leadership couldnt concentrate their energy to "quietly work" on a new EUC extensoin ............



http://www.latimes.com/news/nation-and-world/la-na-healthcare-strategy31-2010jan31,0,4131123.story


Yeah I agree with ya sc4ram, this healthcare issue has drug on and on and on, im anxious to see what they do soon.
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States Seeking to Ban Mandatory Health Insurance

Post  sc4ram on Mon Feb 01, 2010 10:22 pm

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O'Donnell: Reform is dead

Post  sc4ram on Wed Feb 03, 2010 2:50 am

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CBO Can’t Score Obama Plan, No Details

Post  sc4ram on Wed Feb 24, 2010 3:01 pm

This Health Care "reform" is like a vampire in a bad movie, it just wont die, wish they were that tenatious with a new EUC tier..............

http://sweetness-light.com/archive/cbo-cant-score-obama-plan-no-details
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Hoosiers and Health Savings Accounts

Post  sc4ram on Mon Mar 01, 2010 9:29 pm

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Transformation

Post  sc4ram on Tue Mar 02, 2010 1:25 am

Feb 29, 2010 National Review by Andy McCarthy

Today's Democrats are controlled by the radical Left, and it is more important to them to execute the permanent transformation of American society than it is to win the upcoming election cycles. They have already factored in losing in November — even losing big. For them, winning big now outweighs that. I think they're right.

I hear Republicans getting giddy over the fact that "reconciliation," if it comes to that, is a huge political loser. That's the wrong way to look at it. The Democratic leadership has already internalized the inevitablility of taking its political lumps. That makes reconciliation truly scary. Since the Dems know they will have to ram this monstrosity through, they figure it might as well be as monstrous as they can get wavering Democrats to go along with. Clipping the leadership's statist ambitions in order to peel off a few Republicans is not going to work. I'm glad Republicans have held firm, but let's not be under any illusions about what that means. In the Democrat leadership, we are not dealing with conventional politicians for whom the goal of being reelected is paramount and will rein in their radicalism. They want socialized medicine and all it entails about government control even more than they want to win elections. After all, if the party of government transforms the relationship between the citizen and the state, its power over our lives will be vast even in those cycles when it is not in the majority. This is about power, and there is more to power than winning elections, especially if you've calculated that your opposition does not have the gumption to dismantle your ballooning welfare state.

Consequently, the next six weeks, like the next ten months, are going to be worse than we think. We're wired to think that everyone plays by the usual rules of politics — i.e., if the tide starts to change, the side against whom it has turned modifies its positions in order to stay viable in the next election. But what will happen here will be the opposite. You have a party with the numbers to do anything it puts its mind to, led by movement Leftists who see their window of opportunity is closing. We seem to expect them to moderate because that's what everybody in their position does. But they won't. They will put their heads down and go for as much transformation as they can get, figuring that once they get it, it will never be rolled back. The only question is whether there are enough Democrats who are conventional politicians and who care about being reelected, such that they will deny the leadership the numbers it needs. But I don't think we should take much heart in this possibility. Those Democrats may well come to think they are going to lose anyway — that's why so many of them are abandoning ship now. If that's the case, their incentive will be to vote with the leadership.

At the end of the summit debacle, President Obama put the best face on a bad day by indicating that he intended to push ahead with socialized medicine and face the electoral consequences ("that's what elections are for," he concluded). He's right about that. For Republicans, it won't be enough to fight this thing, then deride it if Democrats pull it off, and finally coast to a very likely electoral victory in November. The question is: What are you going to do to roll this back? What is your plan to undo this?

This post from Irwin Stelzer at The Standard caught my eye this morning (my italics):

Americans overwhelmingly say that their main concern is jobs, and that they are satisfied with their current health care arrangements. In response, an allegedly chastened President Obama “pivoted,” and says his primary concern from now on will be job creation, which will take priority over his controversial plan to radically change the nation’s health care system. Yet, last week he backed a $15 billion job-creation bill, which passed the Senate, and a $1 trillion health care bill. Since the federal balance sheet is already under huge pressure, this set of priorities tells us that the Obama administration intends to concentrate available resources on transforming the economy — a long-term, permanent restructuring of the health care and energy sectors that was planned long before the failure of Lehman Brothers triggered the financial mess Obama inherited.
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Obama Now Selling Judgeships for Health Care Votes?

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All Rhetoric, No Reality from White House on Health Care

Post  sc4ram on Thu Mar 04, 2010 9:08 pm

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The Truth about Rising Health Insurance Premiums

Post  sc4ram on Fri Mar 05, 2010 2:19 pm

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Health Reform 3.0: Lipstick On A Pig

Post  sc4ram on Sat Mar 06, 2010 12:32 pm

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Obama's Reconciliation Rope-a-Dope

Post  sc4ram on Sun Mar 07, 2010 12:36 pm

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So, How’s That Pivot to Jobs Going?

Post  sc4ram on Mon Mar 08, 2010 4:55 pm

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Health Care Is Heavily Taxed Now

Post  sc4ram on Tue Mar 09, 2010 12:26 am

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